deputy secretary in the obama congress. great to have you here. >> thanks for having me. >> we know the headline numbers. gdp growth is down, i don't think anyone thinks, awesome, 1.1, 1.2% growth. no one likes that. unemployment, too high. no one is happy except for some of the people on federal reserve board. is happy with unemployment above 8% and yet i think the economic picture is a bit more complicated than the headline numbers indicate. i have been very critical from the left of the recovery have been surprised. joe, are there things you're seeing in the data that suggest why voters seem more bullish on the economy than you might anticipate they would be. >> let me break it down. >> break it down. >> there's two ways of looking at it. one is, the economy is bad. the unemployment is way too high. gdp growth is slow is a really disappointing. we'd like it much stronger. on the other hand, there is this relative way of looking at it compared to other crises, compared to what's going on in europe, compared to what's goin